1/30 @MikeWingerii I salute you as a brother in Christ who is fighting the good fight, bringing justice to the oppressed. **

2/30 I don’t understand how repentance became showing tears and emotions. I don’t know if it is from the Enlightenment or what, maybe @btbsoco can tell us? I think that the show put up by @p_billjohnson this past Sunday was designed to neutralise Mike Winger’s critique. **

3/30 "I delayed." For 10 years?! "I will do better." Enough! You are 74 years old! Retire, donate all your money to your victims and join the Little Brothers of Jesus and do repentance instead of talk and tears! **

4/30 Repentance is a change of heart that will lead to a change of actions. Save the emotional displays for your family, hopefully they can tell if you are sincere or not. **

5/30 It is up to the rest of the body of Christ to find any means possible to excommunicate these wolves and bring real justice to the oppressed sheep. **

6/30 I think it is useful to bring up another recent event to juxtapose it with the current one. The philosopher, apologist and YouTuber @Acts17David told the world about how, when he was 18 he had sex with a 13-year-old and a 15-year-old. **

7/30 What is significant to this story is that it was later, when he was in prison for trying to murder his father, that he accepted Christ as his saviour. Noone knew about these events. He was not, like Bethel, forced to confess this. **

8/30 He did not show any emotions or remorse when he was telling this story. Everyone knows that he is a diagnosed psychopat so if he had done that, we would have known for sure that he was lying. **

9/30 Look up his channel to get the background and the full story about the outcome of this. Let’s just say that the dawagandist took the bait and swallowed, and now we know that, according to their standard, their so-called prophet was a child rapist. **

10/30 Back to the current topic. Since David Wood’s conversion, we have seen the fruits of the Holy Spirit working in his life. This is what we can call repentance. **

11/30 If Bill Johnson and Kris Vallotton have had a change of heart, only the Lord knows. But the evidence suggests that the performance last Sunday was more well-scripted compared to the performance the previous Sunday. **

12/30 Until substantial evidence suggests otherwise, I will lean towards the conclusion that it was the first performance that gives us the psychology of Kris Valotton. But I would defer to Jubilee Dawn for judgment on that. **

13/30 What I think is one major root of this situation is this upside-down Eclesiology that dominates pop-christianity. Most Christians who lay down their life for Jesus will not meet Christ through a mega church in America. Not even most Christians in America. **

14/30 The mega church model is a gravitational model that pulls in more and more mass. The more mass it pulls in, the less yield it brings because the more money (=labour) it requires to fund all its real estate, programs, etc. **

15/30 The only possible benefit is that it may attract some of our celebrities and the elite, which is not unimportant if we are to have an impact on culture and society. **

16/30 That being said, those who benefit from their ministry would probably have flourished as much, if not even more, from a discipleship training programme in their local church. **

17/30 (Churches in an area should band together to set up a programme if they don’t have enough resources on their own.) **

18/30 Because if we are going to have any chance to disciple the nations, as we are commissioned to do, we will need to have a flat, exponential model rather than a hierarchical, addition model. **

19/30 In the mega church model, it is all about accumulation. Move here, we have the best teaching, the best worship, donate to us to spread the Gospel, join our school to get equipped, etc. **

20/30 But if you spend thousands of dollars per semester on their school for a couple of years, how will you have the time and resources to minister to the poor and suffering? **

21/30 If one person could get two other people to commit their lives to Jesus, and they could do the same, in 33 steps, everyone on Earth would be saved. **

22/30 I get that for real repentance and transformation, transparent relations, solid teaching, and leadership are required. This is probably why we don’t see the gospel spread like wildfire. However, the mega church model does not solve this. **

23/30 How can you establish a real connection in a church with over 3000 people, or 1000 people, or even 150 people? The limit to the size of a group that can be related to is normally about 150. **

24/30 This is why larger churches will have to try to reinvent the small church within the larger community. One of the greatest examples is Ralph Moore, who, through his disciples that has trained diciples has planted more than 2600 churches. **

25/30 I don’t think that we can build lasting institutions only through the micro church movement. But in the long run, it will be to a greater benefit to the Body of Christ than the mega church model. **

26/30 What others have also brought up is the difference between forgiveness and trust. Anyone, anyone! Can be forgiven. But not everyone can be a leader in the church. **

27/30 My interpretation of 1 Tim 3 is that Bill Johnson and Kris Vallotton cannot live up to the requirements because of their actions and the people they chose to minister to their flock. **

28/30 Their greed is so apparent that even those outside the church will point their fingers at us Christians. It is the lambs that are the ones who are the important ones, not the ones on the stage. **

29/30 "I’m sorry! Now I will put a structure in place to prevent it from happening again." In other words, can we please move on? It just doesn’t cut it. Real repentance is about restoring what has been broken without looking at how much is left in your own bank account. Luke19:8 **

30/30 If we can show that we are all about protecting the innocent and will remove those who cannot be trusted from positions of responsibility, then there is a chance that we can gain their trust and reach some of them with the Gospel. **

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