“a geopolitical disaster has unfolded. We didn’t get a say in it, but we have to do something” Eurasian Knot interview, Part II (opens in new tab)

there's people in the middle,who again, it's kind of trying to get away from this idea that they're apolitical. So again, people much more willing to volunteer to get involved with things like ecoactivism. That's also an example of defensive consolidation. Like we have to do something to make things better for our country because our country is in crisis and a disaster, a geopolitical disaster has unfolded. We didn't get a say in it, but we have to do something.