Sol Foundation co-founder Peter Skafish chats with two champions of ufological progress in their respective political and academic arenas about their past and present challenges, and what could be next. Anna Paulina Luna refines her feelings towards AARO—that it's better-helmed than under Sean Kirkpatrick and working with her, but is unnecessary to the larger effort. And Dr. Loeb notes that a major "Kardashian of science" is trying to make money off through a book on ...

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