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Say thank you

Please learn to say thank you, especially if you’re a reseller profiteering off of our free help. Gratitude is free and takes seconds. I’ve done more than 1,500 QCs and 750 LCs over the years and all too often there’s zero appreciation, just greed as per this example. If you want a detailed explanation for an LC, say thanks first and then I’ll provide an explanation as per this example.

Tags/requests:

I stopped doing QCs a long time ago so don’t tag me in them. I might occasionally comment on something because I feel like it’s required but it is a rarity so don’t ask me to make an exception just for you - my time is limited as a full time working parent spending countless hours everday across Reddit, Telegram and WeChat and it’s my right to chose how I spend it much to the annoyance of those who feel they’re entitled to my time like they’re paying me. True quality can only be gauged in hand anyway. However, I do still handle LCs if you tag me properly by commenting u/markpaulk in your post. Please crop your images/screenshots and upload to imgur rather than Reddit - Reddit’s compression and uncropped screenshots takes away details that matter. Include close-ups of badges, square tags, zips, industry labels etc (I’ve seen real badges sewn onto fakes before). Don’t waste my time or others if you can’t follow this. There’s only one other goat on here who truly knows their retail and that is u/STONEY145

Taxi Service:

When I started in watches nearly a decade ago, I spent months just reading and searching. Too many of you expect spoon-feeding. I get 30–40+ spammed messages daily across Reddit, Telegram and WeChat on top of managing communities. Do your own research, I won’t spoonfeed beyond this FAQ. I’m also not your shopper or customer service rep. Don’t ask me where to buy X or who’s best for Y. These answers already exist. Learn how to either:

Reverse Image Search (Taobao app) or search Weidian (using product codes) - guide

Reddit search or Google site search (e.g. site:reddit.com)

Stats/size (TTS):

Height and weight don’t tell you how something will fit. Use size charts and compare them with your own measurements or similar items. Try on retail in-store if possible. Consider layering and fit preference - two people with identical “stats” can need different sizes as per this image. A raglan fit item will be better for the person on right with a less restrictive shoulder construction but a technical item (which is shorter in length than standard) will fit the person on the left better which would lift up too short for person on right due to their belly.

Forget “True To Size” (TTS) - fits can differ by brand, region and style: slim, casual, custom, raglan, oversized, technical etc and all are cut differently. Asian sizing ≠ EU sizing. Chinese factories usually size to Asian standards. Always use measurements and get your agent to measure (with expected 1–3cm error). If it’s too small, exchange it or buy two sizes and sell whatever doesn’t fit on FashionRepsBST or BST channels on Telegram/Discord.

Sellers:

Nothing beats retail, especially for jackets. If you don’t own any, I do recommend buying at least one but if you can’t afford it, then read on. We need to distinguish between producers and resellers.

Resellers:

Swag Supply (SS)

TopAngels (TA)

Jieyi (JY)

CloyAd (CA)

RickStudios (RS)

Yadong Clothing (YC)

The items Jieyi sells are from MC Factory but the truth is he’s nothing but a reseller despite claiming to be a producer for years. I introduced TopAngels (TA) to this community and convinced him to sell the same batches as Jieyi for ¥50 less from the same MC Factory but he also sells other great batches too.

Swag Supply (SS) is a new seller discovered by u/Extension_Escape8195 who was for a short period able to source from MC Factory at cheaper prices but now sells other batches like NN Factory. CloyAd and RickStudios (RS) stock a wide range of factories - mixture of mid-tier and mass market batches. Yadong Clothing is a reseller of mid-tier items from few different brands but two of the items I’ve randomly bought have been decent quality.

Update as of May 2025 - TA is experimenting with the production of some PA x Monc collab pieces so watch this space.

Producers:

TopMonclerX (TMX)

RepsKing (RK)

Mman (MM)

Overall, they are all technically speaking mid-tier producers although TMX has leveled up to be top tier in my opinion. For a short period he produced some premium quality items under a “RoyalX” line (Larribet, Camicia, Montgenevre, Padded Cardigan, Wool Hats) but RX line is now merged into the YRX yupoo and RX yupoo is being repurposed to show comparisons of products instead.

Independent sellers:

There’s also a number of top tier independent sellers listed in r/autonomousreps who produce one-off limited releases of various brands rather than providing restocks of items like our established producers. They don’t have Yupoos and produce primarily for China Mainland and Korean customers. You’ll need to either use sn agent or a proxy to order from them if you don’t have a Weidian account linked to an AliPay account. They’ve just started getting into Monc so it’s too early to say how they’ll be.

They usually put up a pre-sale link with final deposit required later at a specific time otherwise your pre-sale deposit will be forfeited. You need to be patient with these sellers releasing goods, they’re often delayed. I recommend using Sheep if you need proxy - Weidian store - WeChat: XiYangYangLoveNi (doesn’t speak English though).

Upcoming releases in October and November that you might be interested in. GOD will be making a few items that look great (70th Maya in black and white, Short jacket in black and white, Grey padded cardigan). No idea on release dates so don’t ask me. He’s considered the best of the best and his releases sell out in seconds so you’ll need a proxy that’s fast. Follow updates on his blog https://m.weibo.cn/u/7583440152?jumpfrom=weibocom

Maya 70 by GOD - pre-sale ¥1,188 via Sheep full pre-sale payment link or direct link God weidian

Maya Grey by Cool - pre-sale ¥288, final payment ¥1,000, total ¥1,288 - pre-sale link

Masac with goose down by Old Manor, ¥299 deposit has ended, ¥1,000 final payment now due, total ¥1,299 - final payment link. If you missed this, there’s small window right now - follow this thread to buy ASAP otherwise any remaining stock will be sold at ¥1,399.

Matte Maya 70th edition with goose down by William, ¥299 deposit, ¥1,000 final payment, total ¥1,299 - pre-sale link

Baudinet with goose down by Chicken Legs, ¥299 deposit, ¥500 final payment, total ¥799 - pre-sale link

Padded maglia cardigan by Chicken Legs, ¥338 deposit, ¥500 final payment, total ¥838 - pre-sale link

Matte Maya by Chicken Legs via Sheep as proxy, ¥1,288 sale link

Yupoo passwords:

Contact sellers directly for their Yupoo passwords and be patient. Don’t ask here or you’ll be banned. Publicly posting them risks sellers getting shut down (remember what happened to TMCN?). Please help us protect our trusted sources.

Best factories:

Generally, MC Factory is a top-tier factory which will have this badge. For a long time the factory claimed they use goose down and someone said they tested it but apparently they actually only use duck down in their products - proof of that. Still great products though as there isn’t a huge difference with duck down (more on this later) and all the accessories etc are great quality.

There’s also a new factory called NN Factory which I found and SS confirmed he can source. It has a great badge compared to retail. Look at the Maya compared to MC Factory in this comparison album and then look at this detailed comparison of the Vezere - NN vs Retail vs MC. They are making improvements for items which is great - Vezere is on v2. Don’t forget, TMX Maya is on V10. Improved batches are part of rep lifecycle.

As for Grenoble items, there are no good batches on market. I tried for years to convince makers but the high cost to get it right deemed it too risky an investment with lack of demand in China Mainland which is the biggest customer base (more than 50%). There’s been a couple of random good batches over the years otherwise everything else is mass market rubbish imho as they either the lack the proper technical fabrics and/or will provide nowhere near the technical performance.

Unknown factory:

There is a top tier fake factory producing goods that have been appearing on Vinted and eBay that has fooled a lot of people - they have accurate badges, labels and cartoon etc. This factory will have this badge and either this cartoon and/or this label. No one knows the true source of them - one person said they’re by a small factory in China but TA doesn’t know them and he knows all the factories. Another source of mine claimed they’re from a former OEM factory in Romania. Maybe one day we’ll find out.

Which batches are worth buying:

Below is my opinion based on what I’ve seen in hand compared to retail as well as reviews from people I know who know what they’re talking about. I get spammed by hundreds of people everyday across Reddit, Telegram and WeChat asking me. You need form your own opinion and make an executive decisiom, I cannot be spoon feeding everyone all the time everyday. It is unfair for people to constantly expect me to answer every question that is asked. You can’t go wrong with any of these so pick whichever one you like the look of more/can afford and be happy. There is no “best XYZ”, each has pros and cons.

Maya? TMX goose, NN Factory or MC factory otherwise RK for other colours

Vezere? MC Factory or NN Factory otherwise RK for value version

Montgenevre? TMX for black/navy (goose) or RK for grey (navy & black are still good by RK)

Madeira? NN Factory or MC Factory.

Grimpeurs? TMX for black (modern season) or RK for other colours (older season)

Classic padded cardigan? TMX goose or RK

Hooded padded cardigan? RK or TMX

Acorus? TMX (goose) or MC Factory

Swim shorts? RK or MMan or TMX (all good)

Gui gilet? TMX goose or MC Factory

Bormes? MC Factory or TMX

Montbeliard? TMX or MC Factory

Cluny? TMX (better fur) or RK (better fit)

Marque? TMX or RK

Hanoverian? MC Factory or TMX for wet look, RK for matte

Polo (short/long)? RK (better blank) or TMX (better badge)

Beanies? TMX or RK

Budget batches:

I often get asked what budget items are worth it. Good down isn’t cheap and cheap down isn’t good imho. However, some people aren’t as fussy and don’t want the most accurate/highest quality or don’t have funds. This section will be a list of cheap items the community has shared and I’ve collated which should be acceptable for budget seekers.

Maya - https://weidian.com/item.html?itemID=7496512414

Vezere - https://weidian.com/item.html?itemID=7556339888

Hooded padded cardigan - https://weidian.com/item.html?itemID=7591959501

Contacting/ordering:

Using an agent is the best way overall but if you want to go direct, read below. WA = WhatsApp, TG = Telegram, WC = WeChat.

RK = WA : +447878600418)

TMX = WC: YRXChat or YRX_Alice (add as friend, don’t search)

TA = WA/TG: (+8613905994846)

SS = WA::+85259340610 or +85246311722 / TG: @SwagSupply888

MM = Agent only

CA = Agent only but WA: +8618201888960

RS = Agent only but WA: +447742842181 / WC: TopHot99

YD = Agent only (he doesn’t speak English so don’t bother with WC)

If ordering direct, send one concise order message with sizes, colors, model name, pics and destination country. Then wait/be patient. Spamming, threatening, flirting or chasing across multiple platforms only slows things down for you and everyone else.

Response time: RK/TMX often 7–10 days (sometimes more). Tracking after payment: ~14 days. RK sometimes ships without ever updating you. This isn’t Amazon. Be patient or use an agent.

If using an agent and they say TMX or SS doesn’t accept exchanges, it’s nonsense. I’ve confirmed with both of them they accept exchanges. A few agents recently are making claims they don’t because they’re lazy and don’t want to deal with an exchange. Call them out on their lies and raise a complaint.

Rep Badges:

TMX normal and small badges are great and were the best on the market for a long time. Font, depth, lips and wings were very close to retail in v1. However, TMX updated both normal and small sizes again in Dec 2024 to current v2 - Normal badge (new V2 vs old V1) | Small badge (new V2 vs old V1. You might get v1 or v2 badge on your product. Some improvements with v2 over v1 and some are a step back but still closer overall in terms of points especially wings on the smaller badge as well as badge blank + badge thinness on both sizes.

RK/MM still use the older 2018-based normal sized badge: good overall but with several minor flaws: wings skew, lips, font, badge blank depth - Retail vs this badge. Small badge is meh, v1 was better overall rather than current v2 which has worse wings, weird finger cand hand skew - TMX small badge is better and best on market imho.

Until mid-Oct 2025, MC Factory normal sized badges looked fine from afar but had too many flaws compared to the other badges: incorrect font size with NLER, does not have modern font with updated C and L, odd finger and hand skew/length, inconsistent curved bottom of wings, middle of the wings are often dropped down too much, lips are not blobbed/can be too long and blocky, distance between legs are too far apart, blue badge corners are too sharp - retail vs this badge.

Update Oct 2025: factory has made minor improvements which look better: wings are better now particularly the bottom part of the wings are no longer curved and the letter R is better. However, the other flaws mention above haven’t been fixed yet. Here’s the recent minor badge update: https://i.imgur.com/rd6I4DJ.jpeg

NN Factory normal sized badges look like they’re set to be one of the best on market but don’t take my word for it, check out this comparison - retail right. The finger and hand skew, wings, lips and font are better than TMX’s but not sure what badge blank and thickness are which only TMX’s badges get right. The blue border is also too sharp in the corners and perhaps slightly too fuzzy in terms of embroidery but minor points. This badge is much better than MC Factory too. Some of the badges have been inconsistent but retail isn’t consistent either.

You can still tweak badges manually to improve accuracy though as per my attempt of this with RK’s badge. I flicked out the tip of the finger for minute flick, stretched wings a bit, gave bottom of wings a minute split, squashed C and flattened the N. Connected letters happens on retail quite often so not a flaw and nothing needs to be done about it.

Retail badges:

Last major update was done in late 2019 (thicker embroidery, updated font with the C and the L, minute finger and wings changes). Yellow badges appeared in 2021–22 briefly then back to off-white in late 2022/early 2023. Example of 2023 vs 2018 badge.

Yes, you can buy retail badges off dust bags and do badge swaps but it’s a pain to resew along existing holes in the badge then keep it flat on a garment. I’ve done a few like this one for example but it’d be easier to get a tailor to do it if you must.

Consistency:

Retail stopped being consistent with things like pockets and badge placement a long time ago - proof of that. I’ve seen many Mayas with low badge or high badge placement (TMX bought multiple 2023 which all had high placement). Some people have said Vezere has specific button placement - here is two unedited retails showing different button placements. Here is proof of Madeira button placement varying with respect to O and E on 4 different retails (provided by TA): https://i.imgur.com/jO6jEFM.jpeg

Stop obsessing; many would RL actual retail by same standards which is wrong. If a flaw exists retail, it’s not a flaw. Perfection doesn’t exist in retail so don’t expect in reps either.

When I say if a flaw exists on retail it’s not a flaw, I’m referring to inconsistencies on the retail item that simply can’t be avoided. For example, if retail badge placements varies by a few to several cm as proved here between different production runs, then a replica that also falls within that variable range is still accurate to retail production standards. The small variations in things like badge placement are production inconsistencies. I’ve owned many items bought from either flagship or outlets with dodgy placements and stitching so if they sold them, that means they were acceptable by their own standards. To expect better than retail is ludicrous.

NFC/scanning:

Stop asking if badges scan. Many retail ones don’t and only did from 2016 until 2022’ish (I updated Rich @ MonclerExpert that some of my 2016 retail had NFC so he updated his site). From 2023 onwards, most Moncler products stopped using scannable badges entirely. Some retail NFC scans return 404 errors not found but don’t worry, they just weren’t registered correctly.

If you’re scan conscious, I suggest you stop pretending your item is retail or educate people. Codes are only flagged randomly after 10-20 attempts which will either come up as fake or require manual authentication. If you still don’t believe me, here’s one of TMX’s hats I got that scanned as real.

Down jackets:

Puff: QC pics don’t show final puff. Jackets need 10–12h to decompress + manual fluffing or dryer (spin only, with dryer balls). Tumble drying risks the down clumping together though so be careful.

Smell: Any down exposed to moisture can smell, retail or rep. Sun-dry it and repeat as necessary or take to a proper dry cleaner to resolve.

Wrinkles: you need steam. Either use an intelligent steam iron on very low temps directly onto the surface or get a very thin cloth and place between it and the surface. Alternatively, give it to a relative/partner you trust or a good dry cleaners to sort out.

Winter: winter jackets are not rain jackets, they’re designed to keep you warm not dry. You need to get the Grenoble range (skiwear) if you want both insulating properties and waterproofing. If the seams haven’t had heat tape applied over them, it cannot be waterproof. The Maya is a winter jacket, not a rain jacket.

Goose vs Duck: 99% of people can’t tell the difference - goose is a bit better at insulating with less filling required but the best duck down I think is comparable to good goose duck down in overall insulating performance - it’s just that goose down requires less fill power to achieve the same performance. Fill power matters more overall - retail is typically 750, reps can vary from 300 up to 550/600’ish max I believe.

Seasonal/regional differences:

Unless you’re comparing in hand same season, same region and same size, you cannot draw such a comparison as variations exist across different regional releases, seasonal releases and even between different sizes. People called out MC Factory few years ago with a reduced wet look for the China 2021 FW version which was then followed by Rest of World 2022 FW release. People have also called out pocket sizes and pocket flap flaws of TMX’s Mayas going back to v6 which TMX provided proof retails he’s bought have had the same pocket size to the exact mm for each size he repped and same with oversized pocket flap. Then people said the badge is too high and he provided proof of 2024 Maya with higher than average badge variation. Another example is RK’s Grimpeurs which is based on 2021 China Mainland where the stripes were darker and different width compared to today’s western market version.

People are way too fussy and don’t understand so much inconsistency and variation exists in retail. When trying to compare retail to rep, aside from regional and seasonal differences, there’s also lighting and manipulation. Moncler like many brands often puts up fake details on their site images or adjust the lighting which will never be reflective of true everyday lighting. Take this into account when comparing, especially with crappy agent lighting.

Shipping:

It’s always luck and dependent on the time of the year amongst many other geopolitical factors. I’ve had 2-day EUB and 4-month EMS. If items stuck in customs >3 months, insurance may help. Otherwise, exercise patience. You can’t control it and neither can sellers. The best advice is to stop tracking that parcel and wait for it to turn up.

Conspiracy theories:

We don’t charge sellers to advertise or post here like some reddits do. Read more in this comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/MonclerRep/comments/1oa33ys/where_did_swag_supply_come_from/nk6r4qt/

My history:

I was scammed in 2016, fought back and since then have owned hundreds of retail, studied every little detail of them and helped countless people avoid being scammed/getting their money back. That’s my good karma.

Yes, I’ve had clashes with people (even racist abuse). I’m blunt, not sugarcoated and if you don’t like it, block me. But I’ve put in thousands of unpaid hours helping and have never accepted a penny. Before criticising, ask yourself what you’ve contributed.

Chat groups (Telegram):

Read the pinned messages and rules in these chats before speaking.

M Lounge - general M chat

RK Chat

TMX Chat

TA Chat

SS Chat